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i'm nasa public affairs specialist

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brandie dean

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on november 2nd 2000 the very first

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expedition crew arrived at the

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international space station and since

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then there have been an unbroken string

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of 241 astronauts from 19 countries on

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board supporting science experiments

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performing space walks and teaching us

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how to live long term in space but

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although the crew members in space might

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be the most visible piece of that puzzle

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they are only a tiny percentage of the

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many many people who have to work

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together to make sure missions are safe

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and successful we're here today with

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some of the people that work on the

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ground and in particular through our

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flat operations directorate and we have

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a few international space station

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program stowaways here with us as well

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i'm going to let each of them introduce

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themselves and

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tell a little bit about what they do and

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then in honor of the anniversary we're

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celebrating i'd love for each of you to

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also tell us where you were 20 years ago

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when expedition 2 expedition 1 was just

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beginning and we are going to start

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first with norm knight

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well let's see brandi uh it's really an

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exciting day and uh it's great to be on

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this panel

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uh a little bit of my background uh

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i've worked in in flight ops for many

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years i i'm currently the deputy

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director of flight operations

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you know thinking back 20 years ago

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which some days it seems like yesterday

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and some days it seems like a long long

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time ago

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i had been a group lead for one of the

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shuttle uh groups

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that uh that managed the main engines

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solid rocket boosters and external tank

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was recently selected as a flight

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director so i was really transitioning

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uh shuttle to station so

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exciting times exciting memories and uh

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look forward to

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to the rest of uh the panel discussion

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definitely thank you norm um now we're

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going to go to kenny todd

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hey good morning brandi and uh good

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morning to the rest of uh my esteemed

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colleagues on the panel it's good to see

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all of you um

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i am i'm the deputy program manager for

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the international space station um have

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been for a number of years here

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but uh worked very closely with uh with

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the entire flight operations community

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and and have done so for

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for for close to the last uh 20 years

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now um when i think back

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to where we were

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where i was 20 years ago obviously i

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wasn't in this position but at the time

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my focus was over in avionics and

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software

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and one of the biggest challenges for a

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program such as this one where you have

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you know literally being built all over

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the united states and in other parts of

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the world um by by different countries

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uh one of the challenges was trying to

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figure out how to integrate all that

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hardware and software and there was a

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big big effort in that that time frame

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were really starting to to get this

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program off the ground and in orbit and

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so at that time

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i had one camp working working real time

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operations on the avionics and software

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side and

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making sure everything was going okay on

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orbit as we as we started to bring up

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these different systems and at the same

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i was off trying to figure out the next

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flights in the queue and how to make

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sure that uh that uh that we were all

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gonna be good to go and trying to find

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problems on the ground so we didn't have

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to find them and and give them to these

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uh to these flight directors later on uh

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when they have to to deal with them

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i'm sure they appreciate that early work

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uh next up is holly writings

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all right well good morning everybody

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i'm holly writings uh today i am the

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chief flight director and the flight

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operations directorate and it's it is

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pretty exciting uh to sit here today you

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know after 20 years and look back you

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know see some of the same

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faces on this panel and and really have

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an opportunity to to celebrate

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everything that we've done and and so

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today i'm the chief flight director but

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if you go back 20 years i was just

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starting out

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at nasa as a flight controller just you

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know newly minted and was able to sit uh

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sit console for the very very beginning

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of space station and so for a while i

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would tell everyone i had the entire

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history of space station in my head and

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now it's gotten so complicated i don't

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think i can remember it all but uh but

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for a while i could i could go flight by

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flight by flight and that was how i

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organized my whole life not birthdays

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not holidays space station uh flights

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were the milestones and and really still

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are actually uh that's kind of how we

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mark time in our world so i'm super

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excited to be here and uh hope you enjoy

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thank you next let's go to emily nelson

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good morning and hey to everybody

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so let's see right now i'm the deputy

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chief flight director in the flight

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operations directorate and um we're

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still also active flight directors

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um 20 years ago i

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was also starting out as a junior flight

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the expedition one launch

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marked a transition where um

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one role that we had early on was going

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to retire because the the the space

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station which had actually been in orbit

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and move into a full team so um i was

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excited to be transitioning into

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uh responsibility and getting maybe to

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become a little bit more senior as a

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flight controller someday but i was a

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pretty baby flight controller back in at

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um how about we go to david korth next

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hey good morning it's good to be back

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among friends uh i hung up my flight

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director spurs several years ago

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isis avionics software

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division what kenny was doing 20 years

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emily right now

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expedition one and so

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the you know i i look back and i was

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preparation went into expedition one and

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work effort we all put into working with

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the russians trying to come up with

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what the plans were going to be how

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uh both with all of our partners and uh

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the vehicle itself and and the evolution

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of operations so i'm glad to be part of

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it must have been such an exciting time

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uh finally we're going to go to pujac

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all right good morning everyone i'm

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happy to be here with all of you

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like brandi mentioned uh my name is pujo

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i was selected in 2018 so i'm one of the

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newer flight directors in our office i

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was selected with five others making a

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class of six and so i am the you know

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would say but have had a lot of

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in 2011 sorry i should say in 2000 i was

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space posters in my room and it's you

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wanted to be um where i am today so

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um very excited to be here thank you

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yes this is already so much fun

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flight operations does uh by a long shot

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of flight uh operations why don't you

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give us an overview of what flight

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station but uh but it does support uh

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our customer we're an org of about 2500

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people and we have three major functions

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us as kind of like a tripod

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one leg of that is our astronauts we

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we call it aod and we have about 60 of

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the aviation assets for the agency

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within flight ops we have 19 t-38s that

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a gulfstream five which are used to uh

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landing and get them back reunited with

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plan train fly is what we do for the

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program we really start planning and

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teams very work very hard to take the

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metabolize those into a plan a very

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detailed plan of how to how to

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accomplish this we train the astronauts

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environment and that plan really starts

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uh all through uh all activities on

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orbit to the time that they uh they come

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back to earth and are reunited again

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with their families

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where you see a lot of this really

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culminate is in the mission control

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center many of you have probably seen

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mission control whether you've seen it

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in person or in photos

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that's the command and control center

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for the international space station

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these teams

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work 24 7 365 days a year

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the flight director is really the

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conductor

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in these real-time teams managing uh all

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the systems uh on board and and the

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purpose of the teams in there

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is to manage the systems and also

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provide uh crew safety

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for this orbiting laboratory

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uh in real time the teams typically send

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about 30 000 remote control commands

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from the ground to the space station a

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month

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to manage this platform so it's uh it's

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very interactive it's hands-on it's

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tactile and it's uh and it's very uh

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it's very rewarding

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um

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you know flight operations we're very

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rich in tradition

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we have our foundations of

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what we call foundations of mission

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operations they're leadership tenants

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not unique to fod as we say

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but really for uh for any

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effort that requires leadership it's

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discipline confidence competence

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toughness teamwork vigilance and

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responsibility and these leadership

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attributes that define our culture

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and this culture in addition to the

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flight rules and procedures is really

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what provides the framework for the

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critical decisions and the operations

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that are dry boring voices you know

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because that's what we do on console

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when things go wrong and i'm not sure it

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quite it quite conveys uh you know the

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the situation to to folks out there uh

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but you know i decided i'd try a little

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bit so hopefully people understand that

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you know that's our equivalent of heart

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pounding where we have these very calm

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faces and sort of monotone

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because that's that's what we're trained

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to do

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yeah and just to add some color

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commentary to that one

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um i remember that day because i was

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with a team that was doing a training

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run upstairs

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and word spread that

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because

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it was pretty unusual for progress to

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not dock totally normally and so word

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had spread upstairs into this and we

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pretty much just like everybody took a

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pause and we moved our data from our

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simulation training data to the

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real-time data to just kind of follow

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along you know with baited breath from

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upstairs to see what are they gonna do

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how are they gonna solve the problem you

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know we had a whole team that was

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following along that really it was it

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yes when you describe it technically and

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in the moment you can't get all

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you know we don't make it a big exciting

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event but i will tell you that from

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another room in the building having

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nothing whatsoever to do with the op we

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were all watching because it was a a

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kind of a really scary event

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[Music]

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and i'll uh

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let's see brandy i'll i'll jump in kind

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of from a program perspective i don't i

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don't sit and do the

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the actual console work but um you know

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i look at from a programmatic

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perspective we've asked the flight ops

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team you know take care of the crew take

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care of the iss

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and if something goes wrong you know my

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perspective is get us through the shift

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get a stable

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and then

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we'll step back as an integrated group

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and take a look and see what our options

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are try to figure out how to go how to

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go forward

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and

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at least one of the examples that i can

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think of and maybe maybe one of y'all

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can help me remember for some reason it

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was i think it was 12 8 or 13 a we had a

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shuttle shuttle dock to station

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and

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for whatever reason the russians had a

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computer failure

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and we thought oh no big deal and then

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they had another computer failure and

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you're like well that's

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you know unfortunate for those guys and

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then you realize well that's really

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unfortunate for all of us because uh

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because we need them in order to be able

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to

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stabilize the stations so the shuttle

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can leave

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and we had absolutely no clue as to what

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happened with the russian computers the

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russians didn't really have a good

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understanding

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there was

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concern i'll put it that way because we

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were really in a situation where we

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couldn't keep shuttle forever trying to

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figure out what to do

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we were concerned about overall

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maintaining attitude control

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should we try to undock and not have

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these computers that could control the

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propulsive systems you probably remember

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this but anyway um

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so

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anyway i just remember that was a

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very concerning time for us at the

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program level because we were still

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building station you know we were still

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quite a ways from being done and to have

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a problem like this where you're really

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looking at each other going how are we

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going to get out of this i mean this

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this could uh you know be a step in a

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very bad direction if if we try to let a

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shuttle go and not have a good

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way of ensuring that we can clear it

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from the station without any kind of a

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contact so it was uh at least um

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over a period of days it was it was

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something i think a lot of us lost sleep

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over working with the entire team

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engineering

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our operations team our safety

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communities

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our partners our russian partners trying

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to figure out because it wasn't just as

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simple as rebooting that computer and

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bringing it back up that it was a much

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more involved technical issue that

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again kind of felt like it brought us to

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our knees there for a period of days and

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i assume some of you might might have

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yeah so i'll pick up for just a few

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minutes because i was actually on

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console i worked that i worked that

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mission from the flight director console

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it was actually my very first

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joint you know joint mission so i've

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been certified before that and had

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worked space station shifts but that was

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my first first joint mission on the on

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the iss flight director team so i came

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in i was the

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crew overnight shift we put the crew to

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bed and i came in and and the lead of of

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our team said well we're

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in free drift and we can't figure out

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how to get out of it um we needed the

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computers on the space station to work

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and then be able to hand back and forth

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in terms of the shuttle taking overall

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control of the of the combined space

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station shuttle um but we were trying to

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get back to where the space station you

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know took control of that like kenny

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said we couldn't couldn't have the

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shuttle do that forever

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and so i came in and we're free drift

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and and we don't know how to get out of

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it but here's here's the lesson i

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learned right so one of the more senior

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uh flight directors was the lead

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and

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we're figuring out how to get out of

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free drift you know what what else can

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you do we actually needed to move the

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mobile transporter which is um a piece

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of equipment where the robotic arm can

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ride up and down the length of the space

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station to set up for an operation the

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next day so you know as a new flight

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director you're just you're kind of like

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okay here's our problem you know she was

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looking up and out like hey let's keep

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moving forward safely while we're still

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solving this really bad problem over

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here you know it was in my early flight

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director career one of the the most

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important lessons that i've learned what

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can you do to move forward even when

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faced with a problem that right now you

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don't know how to solve how do you move

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forward you know safely of course and so

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we move the mobile transporter because

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we had to be free drift to do that

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anyway we happen to already be free

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drift while we're over here trying to

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figure out how to solve the problem the

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other piece of that is when you have a

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problem that big

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everyone just shows up like it's amazing

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you don't have to make phone calls

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people just know like emily was saying

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earlier the team in the other room's

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looking at the data everybody's at home

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watching nasa tv you know people are

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getting things on their phones now more

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than they used to because phones are a

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little more more uh prevalent now but

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but the data just gets out and people

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just show up what can i do to help and

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and we formulate what's called a team

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four where you have a another set of

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folks go really really focus on that

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problem leaving us in the control room

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again to continue flying the mission as

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much progress as we could make safely so

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you know those are like two of my

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biggest

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flight director lessons that that i

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carry with me from from that specific

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incident that

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now

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i'll just add one quick thing so i

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actually started at nasa about two weeks

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after that shuttle flight and it was the

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biggest buzz in town i mean the amount

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of conversations that happened after

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that shuttle flight and all the things

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that the team had done to recover i mean

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that was sort of my getting my feet wet

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and really learning all about what fod

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does it was a great experience to start

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yeah that

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that's so that's so cool i feel like we

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could listen to your battle stories

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for a long time but um i know you've got

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other things to get to today but i did

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want to wrap up a little bit by talking

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kind of um about how

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uh flight direct flight operations

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directorate is is still evolving as we

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have new programs coming online i know

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um

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holly you supported the the first uh

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spacex cargo mission and puja i think is

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getting ready to support the first

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boeing commercial crew mission as well

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so um maybe you guys could talk a little

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bit about um about how things are how

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we're adapting to those those new

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demands

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yeah so you could probably do an entire

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panel on just that topic right um kenny

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kenny was there as well norm was sitting

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behind me so i was the

560
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uh the flight director the nasa flight

561
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:22,000
character sitting in the iss you know

562
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,679
flight control room responsible for the

563
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:25,200
very first dragon that came to the space

564
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:28,400
station so this is 2012. um to put that

565
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,000
in perspective we've now done over 20 of

566
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:34,799
those if you count that demonstration

567
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,000
headed into uh the 21st under under the

568
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,559
the space station cargo contract so i

569
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:43,440
mean two ish a year for the last you

570
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:46,480
know almost almost 10 years now so

571
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,799
um amazing to see how far we've come you

572
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:50,000
know when you sit there the first time

573
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,039
we talked about this when we talked

574
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,200
about expedition one right you've put

575
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,760
all this blood sweat and tears planning

576
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,200
trying to figure out how to do this

577
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,280
again kenny remembers all of this and

578
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,360
then and then you go live and it doesn't

579
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,760
it doesn't work exactly like you planned

580
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:05,039
and that's where we really get to do our

581
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,559
jobs that's right that's what they pay

582
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:08,000
us for right is to figure those things

583
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:11,280
out and so um we got about you know 120

584
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,039
meters from the space station and our

585
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:15,200
navigation sensors that communicated

586
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,559
with the spacex dragon um didn't didn't

587
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,240
look quite right so we got to sit there

588
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,840
for a little while and and figure out

589
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,080
how we were gonna get a manage that in

590
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,720
order to get uh the two vehicles to

591
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:29,200
communicate and navigate and navigate in

592
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,400
safely

593
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:32,080
and ultimately we did figure it out it's

594
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,679
another one of those stories where like

595
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,520
literally heart pounding

596
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,679
but you know when you tell it afterwards

597
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:39,200
it's like okay well we sat there and

598
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,960
calmly worked through it you know we had

599
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:43,120
our engineering support we had the

600
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,720
program folks you know kenny was in the

601
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,200
other room norm sitting behind me and

602
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,600
and we figured out what to do and and do

603
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,120
it safely and we're able to bring the

604
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,200
vehicle in we did have to sit you know

605
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,080
120 meters from the space station for

606
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:58,000
for a while uh making sure our

607
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,520
navigation sensors were working

608
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,360
correctly between the two vehicles and

609
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,080
so you know from my standpoint you look

610
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,080
back and now where we are with

611
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,200
commercial um is really amazing you know

612
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,520
a tipping point in in human space flight

613
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,840
for us to be able to incorporate a

614
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:15,760
commercial partner and and bring them

615
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:18,640
safely into the space station um but to

616
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,280
us right who started you know at the

617
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:23,679
beginning of the space station it was

618
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,200
just another opportunity right we we had

619
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:29,120
done expedition one we had figured out

620
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:31,039
how to incorporate you know over time

621
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,720
all of our international partners add

622
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,720
their modules and their vehicles to the

623
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:36,960
space station and this was just one more

624
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,080
in a in a continuum and and so we look

625
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,720
forward now with all of the the pieces

626
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,039
that we continue to do on space station

627
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:47,919
and you know on into artemis and and for

628
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,000
us that's you know

629
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:52,000
continuing to build on the skills and

630
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,360
and the culture you know at the end of

631
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,520
the day it's about relationships and

632
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:58,080
teamwork and trust and and you go and

633
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:59,440
you figure out

634
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,159
that that combination with with every

635
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,240
partner with every provider with every

636
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,320
team that we interact with and you know

637
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,240
that's really the amazing thing to me

638
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,840
about the international space station

639
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:12,000
one of the most amazing things and so

640
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,520
again i could talk forever but you know

641
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,200
kenny and norm were there as well so

642
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,240
i'll all hand to them

643
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,240
well i'll provide just one aspect of it

644
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,559
that holly hit on and it's the teamwork

645
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,559
in its relationships and

646
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,720
and you know it was a fantastic day to

647
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,559
get dragon birth but if you look at the

648
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,799
journey to get there um

649
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:32,480
that that was

650
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,120
really what made it special because

651
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,520
you know the the commercial cargo came

652
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,280
on the heels of the constellation

653
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:41,440
program being cancelled nasa deferring

654
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:42,880
funds from

655
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,919
um government type work into to more of

656
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:47,840
the private and commercial industries to

657
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,480
where nasa buys a service instead of

658
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,559
actually building a vehicle so that was

659
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,919
the forefront of that and i'll tell you

660
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:54,640
that

661
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,360
the

662
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,360
dynamics between

663
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,679
commercial and nasa and government at

664
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,159
that point was pretty toxic it was you

665
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,000
know nasa funding has gone down it was

666
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,640
given to commercial it was just

667
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:08,640
the timing was bad and the environment

668
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,919
was was not great and it really took

669
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:14,240
you know holly and her team and kenny

670
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:15,760
and the programs

671
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,400
to to really start helping

672
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,200
um build trust as holly said because we

673
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,039
were doing a lot of finger pointing back

674
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,760
and forth and it was getting us nowhere

675
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,760
uh and until you know those

676
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,679
relationships started to be built the

677
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,279
trust started to be

678
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,600
uh instilled in that you need us and

679
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,000
nasa recognizes that we needed them as

680
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,760
well we're not the enemy we're the

681
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,520
solution so are they and we have to work

682
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,840
together so we started focusing instead

683
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,200
of pointing at each other we're pointing

684
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:45,760
now at a common goal that common goal of

685
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:49,039
successful commercial cargo and that is

686
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,720
the foundation and the success of that

687
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,320
is a foundation we're resting on today

688
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,919
with commercial crew it's what we're

689
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,400
going into with the uh gateway and human

690
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,440
landing system and and it all goes back

691
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,360
to that so leadership matters

692
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,919
relationships matter and people and

693
00:25:07,150 --> 00:25:06,720
trust matter so uh just a great success

694
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,160
story

695
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,440
[Music]

696
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,679
let's see and and norm f absolutely i

697
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,880
agree with

698
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,200
you and holly both i mean

699
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,760
if we look back at when station started

700
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,679
did we know that we were going to end up

701
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,320
in this model uh not not necessarily i

702
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:24,080
mean we sort of had to adapt the mission

703
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,520
along the way

704
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,520
based on on the guidance and direction

705
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,600
that we've been given and

706
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,279
and again that brought some new people

707
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,760
into our our circle that we didn't

708
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,360
didn't know about when we started this

709
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,440
but but um

710
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,360
one thing i talk to people about

711
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,000
up and out a lot is is the fact that

712
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,559
that we have a space station culture

713
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,960
there's not you know every partner every

714
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,320
whether it's commercial or whether it's

715
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,400
international everybody brings

716
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,559
their aspect of how to do things and how

717
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,320
to look at problems and how to look at

718
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,720
challenges and and how to accomplish

719
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,559
things in their own way but at the end

720
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,880
of the day you have to figure out how to

721
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,799
to make that work with everybody else

722
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,559
and and what ultimately comes out of

723
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:06,960
that mix mixer if you will is a is a

724
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,520
space station culture and and we

725
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,840
understand each other um i like to tell

726
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,200
people you know the technical problems

727
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,640
don't really know international

728
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,240
boundaries they don't know contractual

729
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,400
boundaries they are problems uh you know

730
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,240
you solve them the same way the physics

731
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,080
doesn't change just because you talk a

732
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,640
different language and so you have to

733
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,000
get together you have to figure out how

734
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,320
to work together to do that and and i

735
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,559
and we did it early on with the partners

736
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,480
our international partners and i think

737
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,919
with our commercial friends we're

738
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,080
starting to see that same thing as as

739
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,320
both holly and norm talked about uh you

740
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,799
know the the early part that storming

741
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,480
forming norming thing that there was a

742
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,159
little bit of storming early on and it

743
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,640
took us a little bit but uh i think uh

744
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:49,039
in the end you know we had arrived at a

745
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:50,080
kind of a

746
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,840
cultural understanding of how to get

747
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,600
things done and it's been extremely

748
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,559
successful and and um uh you know i

749
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,919
think it's gonna carry us forward as

750
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,919
norm said as we as we start to not just

751
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,200
work with international partners but

752
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,360
also commercial partners and and trying

753
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:05,679
to uh to go live around the moon and and

754
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,110
yeah

755
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:13,120
i was just going to mention that i think

756
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,799
this is also just a very exciting time

757
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,240
for younger generations you know the

758
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,480
last time we flew off of u.s soil was in

759
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,799
2011 for our last shuttle flight and so

760
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:22,080
to get to see

761
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,520
uh dm2 the summer fly i mean it was the

762
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,120
buzz around town it was the buzz around

763
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,480
the world you know to get to see these

764
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,159
astronauts go to the international space

765
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,880
station and fly off of us soil and i

766
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,240
think the spacex team is doing an

767
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,760
outstanding job and we have a you know

768
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,919
flight coming up in the next few weeks

769
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,240
as well as boeing working really hard um

770
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,919
to do the same thing so i think you know

771
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:43,279
the next few years are going to be super

772
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,990
definitely a lot of excitement these

773
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:49,679
past 20 years a lot more excitement to

774
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,480
come

775
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,480
i think we are just about pretty pretty

776
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,760
much out of time so but i do want to

777
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,520
give um norm a chance to just kind of

778
00:27:58,700 --> 00:27:56,960
wrap up for us a little bit what we've

779
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,710
talked about today

780
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,399
[Music]

781
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,120
well randy great discussion great panel

782
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,840
and you know i don't know how many folks

783
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,840
have had the opportunity to uh go out

784
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,919
and see an iss viewing where you go out

785
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,760
and look in the night sky early morning

786
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:12,960
sky

787
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,159
and see a station fly over but if if

788
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,159
you've not had that opportunity

789
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,840
go do so because

790
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:21,600
you know the station didn't happen on

791
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:24,799
its own uh it was you know one vote in

792
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,679
congress it took a lot of uh

793
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,760
teams to put this orbiting

794
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,679
outpost in orbit

795
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,320
and so when you look up at this um

796
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,159
this magnificent laboratory that's the

797
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,159
size of a football field it's nearly a

798
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:41,039
million pounds of mass

799
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,080
in orbit

800
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:43,600
orbiting the earth about every 90

801
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,720
minutes

802
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:46,399
you realize it's real there's human

803
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:47,919
presence on board there's been human

804
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:50,399
presence for the last 20 years

805
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:51,200
and

806
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,240
you know

807
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:54,320
it really is an engineering marvel and

808
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,279
and to me miracles

809
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,360
you know miracles do happen when you

810
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,039
have a vision

811
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,640
uh you provide the leadership the

812
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,440
perseverance the political support

813
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,159
and and teams that manage this thing day

814
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,880
in and day out and have been doing that

815
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,200
for the past 20 years it's it's

816
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,880
incredible and

817
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,320
you know it's a great orbiting uh

818
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:19,120
laboratory for science and research

819
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,799
and it's also being used as a great um

820
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:24,960
platform for developing hardware that's

821
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:28,480
going to evolve us to the moon in mars

822
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,000
and beyond so this is amazing 20 years

823
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,559
has gone by in a blink of an eye

824
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,640
but the relationships and the teams that

825
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,200
have made this all happen or what's

826
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,799
going to evolve us

827
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,960
to getting on the moon by 2024 and

828
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,440
making that a reality as well so

829
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,840
i think i can speak for all of us that

830
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,760
you know being part of this is just

831
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:51,200
really special

832
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,640
and

833
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,640
just really glad to be here today with

834
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,080
our friends and see

835
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,480
uh just what this has become and how

836
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it's evolving even into the future so

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i'll leave you with that

838
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thank you so much norm that's a great

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idea definitely go out in a way that

840
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kate sergey and sergey as they are

841
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flying over and then later this month

842
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you'll get a chance to cheer on the crew

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one crew as they launch to the space

844
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station on our spacex dragon as well

845
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um this is just the second in a series

846
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of six panels so you're going to want to

847
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watch out for the rest of this series

848
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coming up is going to be all about

849
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science that's the next one that we'll

850
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be holding so you can watch out for that

851
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thank you so much for joining us today

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and uh

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[Music]

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throughout my career at the european

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space agency

856
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i passed many significant events in

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iza's history

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milestones